Friday, November 11, 2005

About the poppy: to the 'no disrespect intended crowd'

Via Kate at SDA: Clay McLeod writes at thetyee why he won't wear a poppy.

Clay suggests that had "the Nazis had taken over the world, we would be encouraged to celebrate that conquest on some day of observation, perhaps "honouring" the soldiers of the Fatherland and the sacrifices that they made as the Third Reich spread its "benevolent influence" over the world."

Encouraged? What a mild and innocuous word.
Does Clay really believe that we would simply be 'encouraged' to mark the victory of the Reich?

Like many other unconditional pacifists, Clay quotes a proverb to support his moral equivalency:

"Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunters."

Where this arguement falls down is that it is not just the 'hunters' (read Allies) who write history -- the lion's prey (holocaust survivors, victims of Nazi occupation, and Germans of that generation such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer) also share their stories as do the civilian internees in Japanese concentration camps. Then there are newsreels, and the meticulous records kept by the Nazis -- to suggest that history is written by the victor is ignore evidence and the eyewitness testimonials of those who suffered at the hands of the lion before he was tamed. One would expect that Clay, being a teacher, would want to explore those voices which were almost silenced by the Nazis. The people of Holland and France still commemorate and honour our soldiers' sacrifices -- but the civilians of those countries lived through war, not in the movies, not in history books -- but in the mouth of the lion. Clay can pronounce his holier-than-thou attitude from the safe and comfortable distance of thousands of miles and 60 years.

Clay says:

Let me clarify that if the purpose of Remembrance Day was to remember the suffering of almost 11 million Jewish people, Gypsy people, gays and lesbians, Jehovah's Witnesses, Polish people, Serbian people, disabled people and others who were murdered during the holocaust, I would gladly acknowledge their suffering by wearing a yellow star of David, a pink triangle, or whatever symbol was chosen to say "never again" to such atrocities.

Remembrance Day is a day set aside to honour the courageous men and women who risked their lives and died -- and who by design or by happenstance, liberated nations and races in causes that HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH THEM PERSONALLY. The sacrifice of the 'warrior' in the eyes of smug and self-righteous pacifists, is unworthy of commemoration because they had no way of knowing that the outcome of the war would mean the cessation of the slaughter in the concentration camps -- to Clay, these were simply soldiers acting for 'nationalistic' and 'political' reasons. In fact they were people taking action, at considerable risk to themselves, for no personal gain -- and as noble as the sentiments of a Ghandi are, thank God some people weren't courageous enough to march into the gas chambers alongside the Jews and disabled etc.

And it's remarkable that anyone could believe this:

(T)he poppy acts more as a rallying cry to support military solutions to the world's problems, instead of a heart-felt and genuine plea for an end to the suffering of war.

In fact Canada, a country that prides itself on peacekeeping and pacifism has been the only country to use the poppy as a symbol of remembrance until the past eight to ten years. Britain has recently adopted the symbol, but they don't have the tradition, and therefore there hasn't been the same success in introducing the poppy and establishing it as a symbol of remembrance.

To suggest that the poppy acts as a 'rallying cry' does a great disservice to all the Veterans who have worked tirelessly to ingrain the motto: "never again" into the minds of schoolchildren.

Clay summarizes WWI and determines that because that war had no noble cause, the veterans are not worthy of our honour. This day was set aside by the King and Prime Minister to remember those who fought and died for King and Country -- but it was observed by ordinary Canadians -- not because the cause had been noble and pure, but because the soldiers had endured such privation, such carnage, such violence at the hands of their politicians. This day was meant to remember the evil imposed on people by their governments and it has endured precisely because that is the sentiment evoked each year when the they play The Last Post and we pause for a moment of silence. Ordinary folk didn't glorify that war. They called it 'the war to end all wars' because they sincerely hoped it was. Through their intellectual posturing, it is people like Clay who MAKE the poppy a symbol of war - it never was that - -it is simply a token of remembrance for those poor sods who didn't really know why they were 'over there', but who never made it home. How sad that people like Clay need to twist it to suit their political agenda.

Clay then goes on to view WWII through the prism of WWI -- the Allies were to blame because of the strict sanctions placed on Germany after the Armistice. He doesn't see that the truth of this is irrelevant. Politicians and soldiers are different entities. We don't solemnly remember the politics of war, we remember the cost of war in the lives our our soldiers.

He synopsizes WWII as : a continuation of imperialist rivalries and nationalistic competition (. . .) Ask a Japanese Canadian who spent time in a WWII internment camp and whose family was stripped of its property whether his or her "freedom" was safeguarded by the efforts of Canada's soldiers. Ask one of Canada's indigenous people who, at the end of WWII, wasn't allowed to vote in elections as a result of his or her "Indian status" whether he or she felt free at the conclusion of WWII.

Not only is Clay applying modern sensibilities to an era that by its existence, taught us the injustice of these policies, he is confusing politics with principle and judging soldiers and veterans in place of their governments.

I don't refuse to wear a poppy to criticize the efforts of individual soldiers . . . who fought - and died - . . . believing that they defended and fought for noble goals. I respect their spirit of duty, sacrifice and dedication to causes that they saw as greater than themselves. I refrain from wearing a poppy to criticize the use of military force, at the expense of soldiers, civilians and their families, by the state - any state - in order to achieve political goals, no matter how noble. Remembrance Day usurps the sacrifices made by individuals and conscripts those sacrifices in the name of nationalism - a divisive cause that fragments the human race into pockets of "us" and "them."

It isn't the government or the military that have made the poppy the emblem of significance that it is in Canada -- it is the individual soldier. It is the Veteran. So, although Clay claims his protestations are not meant to disrespect the individual soldier, they in fact do. No one knows the horrors of war like our Vets do. You won't find a Vet who tries to glorify war -- it's the Vets who say 'never again'. Clay's insistence that the poppy is a call-to-arms for the war-monger crowd is a distortion of the message of the War Amps and the Legionnaires who are the main sources of public information for Remembrance Day.

When we remember those who were called to serve, I will wear a poppy. I won't wear it as a symbol of nationalism or in the name of some political goal -- I just want my kids to know that I remember and they should remember, those who '. . . lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, loved and were loved' -- not because their cause was noble, but because they served and sacrificed. The rightness/wrongness of the politics of their wars is not at issue on November 11. Why don't people like Clay see the distinction?

By the way Clay, despite being on the 'wrong' side of the War(s), the Germans and Japanese honour their war dead -- not to justify their national aims during the war, not to glorify their ill-treatment of enemy soldiers and civilians alike, not to revive bygone grudges -- but to remember those young men, who through no fault of their own, were caught up in their era and died on behalf of their countries.

What people like Clay don't get, is that if we turn our backs on Remembrance Day and the poppy, we allow our governments to forget the role they play in instigating and perpetrating war.

The poppy doesn't glorify war -- it is the perfect symbol of war's indifference to right and wrong / good or bad. The poppy grew over the graves of Allies and enemy alike.

canadianna

81 comments:

gnotalex said...

Bravo, Canadianna.

Anonymous said...

"In fact Canada, a country that prides itself on peacekeeping and pacifism has been the only country to use the poppy as a symbol of remembrance until the past eight to ten years. Britain has recently adopted the symbol, but they don't have the tradition, and therefore there hasn't been the same success in introducing the poppy and establishing it as a symbol of remembrance."

That seems to me to be an erroneous statement.

"The first official Legion Poppy Day was held in Britain on 11 November 1921, inspired by the poem In Flanders' Fields written by John McCrae. Since then the Poppy Appeal has been a key annual event in the nation's calendar."

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/who/poppy_history.asp

Otherwise good commentary.

John the Mad said...

Beautiful post.

Canadi-anna said...

anonymous -- Thanks for the link -- I should have investigated a little more. But the poppy in Britain still doesn't have the same significance.They only started using it again recently and it still doesn't have the emotional ressonance that it seems to have here.
I think it's too, because I really believe it is a valuable anti-war symbol that helps us to remember the sacrifices & contributions of the individual.

INP said...

A purposeless, valueless philosophy espoused by a purposeless, valueless twit. When our society falls it will be because of guys like him and in spite of guys like those who fought in WWII.

INP said...

my link if you're interested:

www.imnotparanoid.blogspot.com

Mark Francis said...

I read that article in The Tyee and thought the author was out to lunch. And dinner. He seems to have attached a meaning to this day which isn't the meaning that we attach to it.

Anonymous said...

Clay - someone who's shit doesn't stink, someone who operates on a higher moral plane,

If they come for him, I'll let them have him.

What a waste of air.

bob said...

Clay is a dhimmi.
Canadianna is a marvel.
Cheers.

Sue said...

When I read the Tyee post, I was horrified and angry. Thank you for putting it in perspective why he is so wrong.

Candace said...

I couldn't finish his post. That he is able to post such drivel BECAUSE of our vets is obviously well beyond his comprehension.

Excellent post, C.

Justthinkin said...

And the really scary part is that this fruitcake is a lawyer AND a teacher of school kids. No wonder BC is going down the tubes. I agree with anymouse of 12:31. When yhe come for him, I will hand him over. Better yet, why wait. I am sure Al-Qiada wants some pacifists right now. Send him to Jordan to replace the one's that just joined the virgins.

PR said...

If Oskar Schindler had been a man of courage, according to this guy, he would have marched himself and his hidden Jews to the nearest death camp for gassing. You're right; thank God some people weren't so "courageous."

Bill said...

Clay is an ass.

Excellent post.

valiantmauz said...

Terrific post.

Civitatensis said...

Excellent and thoughtful piece, Canadianna. Thanks for taking the time in doing such thorough job against that kind of silliness.

I don't intend to diminish it by saying silly, though. Defending the tradition of Rememberance has become almost as important as defending the battlefields in Europe and elsewhere once was. It's not mere hyperbole. The barbarians, as Clay shows, are not only clean shaven and literate, but they already walk among us.

As usual, you are as lethal deconstructing argument as you are kind.

wonderdog said...

This is a good post.

Clay McLeod makes a serious error. Wearing a poppy is much more an act of pacifism than refusing to wear one.

By refusing to wear one, he abandons a public statement meaning "never again." What does that accomplish?

49erDweet said...

Great post.

FYI I first wore a poppy to commemorate our veterans, and those of our 'cousins', in 1952. They seem to be available here in Cali every year'

Canadi-anna said...

Thanks to all for their kind words.
Really dweet? That's interesting. I have American family in Michigan, and they've told me that the poppy isn't a big symbol there.
Thanks for the info. I'm glad it's more universal than I believed.

Nicol DuMoulin said...

Again your logic combined with compassion makes the opposing argument pale by comparison.

It is sad that so many people like Clay just do not understand. What is more tragic is that he is teaching children.

Best!

The Three Gates said...

Canadianna,
I think many in the UK have reservations about the poppy because of its link to Haig and his dubious role during WW1.
However, I think most people, quite rightly, wear it out of a genuine and deeply felt respect for those who suffered and fell.

a sane voice in a mad world said...

Q1. what does the poppy represent?

A. It represents the terrible loss of life in WW-I in the fields of Flanders.

Q2. What was WW-I all about?

A. It was a struggle for supremacy among the European Powers.

Q3. What have the Muslims or people of the third world got to do with it?

A. One of the aims of the WW-I was to weaken and dismantle the Osmani Caliphate, so as to colonise vast parts of it.

For this end, Arabs were promised freedom, but at the end of the war, the Muslim lands, articularly the Middle East, were divided among Britain and France, and Palestine was obtained as a mandate by the British.

Q4. So, was WW-I for the benefit of the colonised or third world people, or for their detriment?

A. It was to the detriment of the third world.
_____________

Finally, we also mourn the loss of life in Flanders, and in Korea, and in Vietnam, and in China, and in Indonesia, and in all lands where big powers have played their games to the detriment of little people.

But we do not see wearing the poppy is appropriate here. It may be more appropriate on Palestine Day, on VietNam Day, on the anniversary of the Suharto murder (under CIA guidance), of more than a million Indonesians, and on many other anniversaries besides.

Except that we Muslims don't do aniversaries.

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