I'll be weighing in on other issues over the next few days, but I had to write about this:
Abuse ruins life of girl, 7
OSHAWA -- An Oshawa trucker was sentenced to 17 months in jail yesterday for ruining a young girl's life with "despicable" sexual abuse.
Raymond Pike, 57, was convicted at an earlier trial of two counts of sexual interference and one count of sexual assault on a girl who was 7 years old when the crimes were committed from January 2002 to January 2003. (. . .) At the conclusion of the jail time, Raymond Pike will spend three years on probation, during which time he will receive behavioural counselling.
Seventeen months -- actually, 11 months, ten days -- because offenders automatically serve just two-thirds of their sentences before release. This creep will be out on the street in less than a year for crimes that will stay with that girl for the rest of her life --- how is this justice?
This sentence sends a message to all the perverts out there -- abuse children with impunity because the criminal justice system (read - society) doesn't consider it a serious offence. It obviously isn't serious enough to warrant a penitentiary term, nor is it worthy of dangerous offender status -- in fact, he will serve less time than the time period of the abuse (one year) -- that must sound like a good deal to all those sickos out there.
And this happens to be the only time he's been caught -- how many other children might there be, violated by this creature, but undiscovered by the authorities. There could be many others; pervs are much like drunk drivers -- they are rarely caught the first time.
A sentence like this says that the government/judiciary is unwilling to meaningfully punish those who threaten the safety and security of our children -- one can only assume this is because they don't consider the sexual abuse of children a significant transgression.
There is no deterrent value, no punitive value and no preventive value to such a feeble sentence --- The consistently tepid sentences meted out for such malignant acts serve as an invitation, or as supplication, to all the paedophiles out there.
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Considering that child molesters are absolutely INCURABLE, it is sickening to think we keep letting them out on the street. If there is one certainty, it is this: THEY WILL DO IT AGAIN.
It's like having a male dog that isn't neutered, and expecting to teach that dog not to chase after female dogs in heat. It would be absurd to even try it. Yet we expect that with counselling and special monitoring, we can keep child molesters from re-offending when they get out. What utter delusions our justice system works under!
C,
Welcome back! You've been missed.
I think we should do something radical to these idiotic judges.
What an absolutely disturbing story. Thanks for posting it, I hadn't seen anything on it yet.
CA
I can't understand why he hasn't been placed on a sex offender's register.
One would thought that would have been routine in a case like this.
RR-- You are absolutely right. Too bad our government is not willing to accept and act on this.
Thanks for the welcome Bob.
Rebecca -- this was a small piece in the SUN, and there have been many others, very similar over the past few years. If you go to the link, you'll see this guy's son (a teacher) is up on 'unrelated' child porn charges. You have to wonder what he'll get -- if his dad only got 17 months for actually sexually assaulting a child, how much time will this perv get for downloading pictures? Not much based on other recent cases.
G-gnome -- I believe it is automatic that they go on a sex-offender registry, but personally, I think those registries are nothing but pacifiers for the community. They give a false sense of security, but they do nothing to protect or prevent a paedophile or other sexual preditor from re-offending.
Sexual deviants are less likely to be rehabilitated than any other criminal group. Keeping track of the pervs might help after the fact. That is not enough.
In Canada, we have what's called 'Dangerous Offender' status which is used to incarcerate and keep tabs on the worst of the worst and repeat offenders. This designation should be used for any person convicted of a sex crime against a child, whether its actual rape, or 'only' viewing child porn.
This is a sad and angry story.
I suspect there will be more like them. There seems to be a growing number within the population that frighteningly believes that this is not a very big issue. That children are just 'little adults' and they do not care whether or not they are sexualized early. This attitude then leads to stories like this where cases of horrific abuse are just sloughed off.
There is a real slippery slope of morality currently encroaching upon the west and Canada seems to be heading the pack. I recall a survey taken by INTERPOL last year around this time that said Canada was now one of the leading nations in the world for distribution of child pornography because our laws are so lax on it. I'll try to find it so I can be more accurate
This should terrify many but sadly, even if you tell people...they don't believe you.
With any luck, maybe someone in the prison will help... errr, cure Mr. Pike of his perversion.
Preferably with a dull spoon or a barbell.
I vote barbell - welcome back C :D
It's a pretty sad state of affairs when we have to hope that the incarcerated will dish out the justice that our so-called "justice" department can't find the will to do.
Welcome back, C
My inclinations are more along the lines of RR. Why do we let sexual offenders back on the street when there is ample evidence to suggest that they are unable to be rehabilitated?
Welcome back. As stated before, you have been missed. Our justice(?) system seems to only work for the person who committed the crime, not the victim(s). You do have to wonder how many more young people out there who have been victimized by this pervert.
Nice to hear from you again. I think that there should be clear mandatory minimums so that creeps like this don't slip through the cracks. What kind of society thinks this ok?
R. King
Welcome back.
The sentence is disgusting. I think judges ought to have to take these perverts into their own homes for a two year period right after their jail time expires.
Unless, of course, the judge has kids. I wouldn't put them at risk for the sins of their judicial parents.
Welcome back C...missed ya.
This is just another symptom of the disease known as fuzzy-wuzzy socialism in this country.Today in Edmonton,a pre-sentencing trial was held for a woman found guilty of manslaughter.Even her liar..errr..lawyer admitted that she had previous assault charges and solved her problems by grabbing the nearest object and beating someone with it. This time,that object,a knife,killed her boyfriend.Her liar wants a sentence of 4 years.The disgusting part is that the Crown prosecutor only wants 8 years!! Any bets the wussy judge gives her less then 2,citing her Aboriginal descent and "horrid" childhood??
Welcome back. All together now, "What is the definition of insanity"? "Why, its doing the same thing over and over again, and each time expecting different results"!
Of course this poor sick person will be cured by counseling and special monitoring. Even though no one else has been. Of course he won't do this again. Even though all the others did. Of course the judicial system is not crazy. We are merely humane.
When the law no longer protects your children, it is time to protect them yourself.
Canadianna: I instruct teachers in assisting children and parents in keep themselves safe, but for little children it is impossible to safety proof them... only their parents can keep them safe. Here are some stats that may surprise your readers:
- 90% of sexual assaults of children involve an acquaintance of the victim.
- It is estimated that only 16% of sexual assaults are ever reported.
- 15% of sexual assault victims are under 12 years of age.
- One third of known sexual assault offenders are under age 21.
- Males comprise 90% of all known child abusers.
- Males comprise 97% of all known sexual assault offenders.
- Convicted pedophiles average about 52 victims each.
- Convicted pedophiles of boys average about 150 victims each.
Welcome back Canadian-Anna. You have been missed.
I have ahard time understanding where so many Canadians get this smug sense of superiority as compared to certain other countries.
Canada is a country that tells the people who rape kids that they'll get a hug instead of serious jailtime for their crimes And when they do finally show up in jail, it's club fed country club.
Canada is a disgrace on the world stage for this. Until our disgraceful sentencing laws are corrected, I think folks who want to back pack accross europe should sew "Canada: perverts and criminals welcome" on thei back packs instead of a maple leaf...
Indeed, welcome back!
When Pike's released and does it again, government officials will express sadness, perplexity and indignation. In the meantime, we'll have more and more federally-sponsored sociological studies to convince us about how the perpetrators are themselves victims, and how we are all responsible for such unchecked appetites.
It's sad, there is no doubt about it. On many levels non the less.
Why was this allowed to happen not once, but repeatedly ?
Where is the education and awareness to have put an end to this at touch 1.
Where, as was pointed out, is the incentive not to re-commit ?
With an 11 month sentance this guy may never even see prison. It's possible that, depending on where he lives etc. he could spend the 11 months in jail. If you're not sure of the difference ask anyone in jail if they'd rather be in prison and you can bet on getting a full forced "NO WAY"
Still, is this really headlines ? Is this really a story ? or is this just yet another account reitterating what we already know.
The justice system is far too relaxed!
I understand that the system (particularly the young offenders act) is setup to give people a second chance. If we threw everyone in prison for life the first negative thing they did we are ignoring the element of chance. Sometimes people go to prison for doing what anyone would have done in the same situation, but for anyone else that situation never comes.
However, as someone mentioned, the number of repeat offenders should be a clue that we really aren't meeting this criteria. People who deserve a second change are getting one, but people who don't deserve one are getting a few dozen.
I understand that in many cases sending an individual to prison just turns him into a better(worse) criminal, but that is a problem within the prison system. Prisoners are there be isolated from society, not to fear for their lives and by necessity become even harder criminals.
I understand that longer sentances mean less turnover and our prisons are already crowded. I understand that more prisons means more taxpayer dollars, but where do we draw the line ?
Sure, we all want low taxes, but what's the cost ? Public safety ?
If, above all else, the singular reason I am, and always will be, a conservative supporter is because to be conservative implies being fiscally responsible.
I'd have no problem paying whatever it takes in tax dollars to a public systems (such as the judicial system) IF they worked. As of now, they don't.
That said, while I most definately believe that our judicial system needs some more stringent changes I'm far from in the same boat as raging ranter.
Maybe it's just anger talking (as is so often the case with me) but I don't think it's completely fair to claim (with no support) that child molesters are "incurable" and furthermore to compare them to un-neutered dogs.
Just by the nature of the crime it immediately strikes me that at least some of these people likely have mental disorders. If some of these guys have lost some higher order executive functions than they might be demented and impulsive enough to molest a child.
That doesn't excuse the action by any means, but it also doesn't preclude them from treatment.
The trick is having a system in place that identifies (with high success) individuals who are prone to repeat.
To condem them all is to condem them ALL; innocent or guilty; low-risk or high-risk of repeating and that is something the Canadian judicial system will never do.
Maybe it's the root of the problem, but the Canadian system would always rather let 100 guilty men go free than condem an innocent one.
Regardless (wow that's a rant) ...
I definately agree 11 months isn't long enough, but let's not shoot our chickens before they hatch either.
If this guy is a threat, keep him locked up, but if he's not than he deserves his chance just like anyone else. Hence why we call it a judicial system and not a condem and kill system.
The key is identifying who the system can/has help(ed), who it can't, and who it needs to protect society from.
That and cleaner prisons, better use of tax dollars, longer sentances, harsher fines, more police pressence, more open communities, more education...*sigh* the list goes on.
Sean -- you make very good arguments -- the one thing we'll have to disagree on is the 'curability' of paedophiles. Whether it's a mental illness or an abusive childhood -- I don't care. Treatment has been proven not to work with sex-offenders, regardless of their prediliction.
You would like to keep people in custody until they are no longer a threat -- where is the certainty? How much treatment does it take? Can some people fake cures? There is no certainty.
Although in many situations, I do believe people deserve a second chance, and some might even genuinely want to be 'cured'. That said, I also believe that the best indicator of future behaviour is always past behaviour. Most of of never really change -- we might for a while, but then we fall back to what is comfortable.
Personally, I'm not willing to risk the safety of children, in order to ensure the rights of 'cured' paedophiles.
I can live with withholding rights from offenders. Better they suffer for their past mistakes, than children suffer for our hope of the good in all humanity.
"The good in all humanity!" To be blunt... there is no such thing... I've lived long enough with my eyes open wide enough to know that that is not the case. For instance, 1 in 25 people are clinically sociopaths... so much for the good in humanity. It's no more than a huggy wish based on nothing.
Canadi-Anna:
I hear you and I know the feeling.
I'm not going to argue, it's not my place. This is your blog, I've presented my opinions and I appreciate the opourtunity to do so. As well, I respect yours.
What I will say is that I think we share a common sentiment, but I'm holding onto the idea that if not today, some day, we will be able to identify (with certainty) people who can/cannot be released.
Nothing is ever 100%, true, and I totally agree that I'd rather see convicts suffer a little more than they have to than see innocents suffer at all, but there may be a happy median.
Regardsless,
Thanks for the reply to my reply, it jazzed up my morning ;)
Hmmm... I re-read my last post; and it sounds more overstated than I wished it to be, so I'll clarify. There is good in humanity, but not in all of humanity, and trusting that there is good in all of humanity simply creates victims. How's that?
Debris:
Probably unfortunately accurate.
There is a sickening, evil trend at work here - the 'sexual liberation' isn't over folks...
As usual, World Net Daily is utterly incapable of accurate reporting. From WND's blurb:
A new book published by Haworth Press features multiple Ph.D. "experts" claiming that sex with children "can benefit" boys and even serve a "mentoring function."
From their own citation's first line:
Pederasty, or sexual relations between men and adolescent boys...
They are so hysterical they didn't even read the quote they posted. Once again, WND's pathetic journalism shines through.
Sex with teenagers is not pedophilia.
Mike,
So... semantics aside, what's your view on pederasty? When my children reach 13, they will not cease to be children - 'adolescence' is merely a technical term used to denote a stage in children's growth, and 'pederasty' denotes the sexual abuse of said adolescents... But of course you know that - I take it that your issue is with WND and not the review (technical errors aside) itself?
Mike, your attitude is worrysome.
Why is it people kept screaming that the priests in the US Catholic church sex-scandal were paedophiles? (Most victims were between the ages of 12 and 15-- adolescents) I guess that's so it wouldn't come down to the truth . . . they were homosexual paedophiles and their homosexuality played a big role in their choice of partners.
These priests were definitely paedophiles. How many of those boys were sixteen, seventeen, eighteen? Canada notwithstanding, the age of consent is 15 or 16 in most places. That makes 'adolescent boys' minor children.
And Mike, with some paedophiles, it's not the immature body that gets them going, it's the inexperience combined with the developing body.
Call it what you like Mike but your hair-splitting seems to be an attempt to defend the indefensible.
It isn't semantics, it is about defining a word and not letting a tabloid rag smear a potentially legitimate researcher.
Yes, you are basically right, Linda. WND is a tabloid rag; you might as well quote the National Enquirer. WND specializes in "technical errors," as you call them - and these technical errors always seem to be calculated to produce outrage in the reader.
Sex with adolescents is not the same thing as sex with children; paedophilie is inescapably exploitative and destructive. The nature of sex between an adult and a teenager is far less clear cut; our society artificially extends childhood until the "age of consent."
Which is not to say that the artificial extension is not a good thing; adolescents do not recieve adult privileges, and so they should not be saddled with adult responsibilities. The age of consent is a good law, but it is aimed at the lowest common denominator.
Mike:
The major reason I disagree with you is this:
Even if, some research shows, there is no direct psychological or physical damage when an adult and teen engage in sexual action that doesn't mean it's "safe". As well, this research can't be truly expeirmental. No ethics board that I know of would ever permit an experimenter to bring young people and adults into a lab to have sex. So, just by the nature of such studies the results need to be generalized with great care.
There is such a stigma in society (as you've already eluded to) against such activity that a nieve teenager that gets involved in such a thing will likely be forced to deal with unrelenting ridacule or to burry their "terrible" (arguable) secret.
I believe that the most severe scaring after sexual abuse comes from the stigma of the act, not the act itself. Don't get me wrong, it is in absolutely no way acceptable to molest kids (or ANYONE for that matter), but AFTER the incident those individuals near the child need to emphasize that the child is now safe and is loved, not emphasize how terrible it was for them.
Sorry, getting a little off topic, but the point is that there is social consequences. Even if, within the relationship, there is no harm or even some bizzare benefit in an adult-teen relationship the social consequences are massively damaging.
As for age of consent, it's far too low.
The age of majority/consent for any major decision (and becoming sexually active is a major decision) should be 21.
It's not until into your 20s that your pre-frontal cortex is fully developed. This is the area of brain responsible for reasoning and higher executive functions.
Just look back on your old childhood. Do you not remember, even as a teenager, being so damned sure your parents were wrong about something. Now, looking back, you can't believe how rediculous you acted back then ?
Clearly if age of consent is 21 I don't expect young couples to obey it. Teens will always want to experiment and will get sexually involved well before 21, but such a high age of consent would make older people trying to coax teens (or children), who aren't capable of making adult decisions yet, into sex more liable than they currently are.
I'm with Canadianna. I agree that the state as it stands today doesn't really try to deter the sexual abuse of children.
I cannot understand why "liberals", who're supposed to care about everyone, seem to care more about the fully-grown, guilty-as-sin abusers than they do about innocent, fragile children.
Why won't the Liberal gov't move aggressively to protect children via the very harsh punishment (long prison sentences) of sexual predators? Why did they instead pull out all the stops to force SSM upon the nation? Talk about bizarre priorities. The Liberals are, for this and many, many more important reasons, completely unfit to take care of Canada and Canadians as they obviously only care about some and not others in the way described above.
The Liberals have all the power to fix and make right this abomination of social justice, yet care not a whit. Therefore they must be removed, and quickly.
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The critical thing in such matters, as some commenters have mentioned, is that people who have become sexually fixated on children can almost never be diverted to other sexual outlets. I doubt if even castration would be effective (amusing though it might be to some elements of society).
Liberals don't want to kill people or lock them up forever for one offense. Conservatives don't want to pay for lifetime incarceration. I guess that leaves registration and monitoring, and hoping for the best.
As for those who gloat over the horrors which a convicted pedophile will endure in prison, I have just one little annoying question: how many of the people doing time for sexual offenses against children are innocent?
Kind of helps put all those annoying rights-of-the-accused in perspective, doesn't it?
misterniceguy: "As for those who gloat over the horrors which a convicted pedophile will endure in prison, I have just one little annoying question: how many of the people doing time for sexual offenses against children are innocent?"
As sexual assault is one of the most under-reported crimes, whether against a child, an adolescent or an adult, I'm willing to put my money on "few to none."
I'm with you--I used to annoy some of my friends on the Left on the subject of jail. I'll oppose capital punishment to the death, as it were, but I don't really believe in the notion of rehabilitation for violent criminals of the type referenced here.
But comfort yourself with this: at least he got a few months in jail. Here are a couple of cases that make me pretty sick:
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/toronto/story.html?id=a90ea502-133a-4ed6-bc2e-a2773049d442
http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=bab46a12-0b78-4629-9e8d-75cef53864e3
Welcome back, btw. And you have to like that Debris Trail guy; he's that rarity, a right-winger with second thoughts. :)
"As sexual assault is one of the most under-reported crimes, whether against a child, an adolescent or an adult, I'm willing to put my money on "few to none.""
The number of innocent doesn't matter.
Criminals are sentanced to incarceration. Not beatings, rapes, and murders.
If you think they desreve these things than start a movement to introduce corporal and/or capital punishment for sexual crimes.
I doubt such sentances will ever be passed in Canada because it's simply not what we, as a nation, believe in.
We don't condone the assault, rape, or murder of anyone. Criminal, innocent, adult, or child.
Releasing a pedophile into the general population of a prison with no protection, knowing full well what will happen to them, is as good as assaulting/raping/murdering that person. End.
Not sure if I'm getting off topic, but it really bothers me people condone violence against others because "hey, they did it first" or "hey, they're just criminals"
It's either acceptable or it's not.
Canadian society decided long ago that violence against others isn't acceptable. It doesn't matter who the other person is. You can't say it's okay in one situation, but not okay in another.
This isn't an eye for an eye, it's recognizing a wrong and ending it. Not repeating it.
Canada's age of consent laws are terrible. We should join most of the civilised world in moving them to at least 16 (with proximate age provisions/exceptions). The UK, New Zealand, Australia, US, and most other countries have long since adopted this one or higher.
Once again, "O Canada -- perverts welcome..."
sick.
I don't know, but I doubt putting them in the 'general population' would matter like it once did. It's just a guess, but I think the days of 'honour among inmates' is long gone. Many average citizens barely care about this sort of thing. I find it unlikely that those in the prison system would be so outraged as to punish a sex-offender.
"I find it unlikely that those in the prison system would be so outraged as to punish a sex-offender."
On the contrary, they're dead meat. I have this from COs with whom I once spent a good deal of time (no pun intended--this was purely professional!).
Dr. Dawg -- I'm truly surprised, but somewhat heartened that even criminals find some things vile enough to react that way.
Dawg is right,
I can't say first hand, it's true; however, I do have realiable sources.
I ran with a tough crowd when I was younger. I was out of school at 16, out of my parents house at 17, and I spent the next couple of years binging, purging, and generally being a social blemish.
(For the record, I woke up, went back, got my diploma, and I'm currently finishing an honours B.Sc in excellent academic standing)
In that time I was "friends" with a lot of people. Some of which were involved in serious crimes.
Someone I was fairly close to spent almost a year in jail for extortion. Another friend in our group at that time came from a prison family. He had several relatives that were constantly in and out of the prison system and he himself had been in jail several times.
So, while I can't give your first hand accounts of such things, I can give you 2nd and 3rd hand accounts.
Specifically to child sex crimes...
When my "friend" that was jailed got out I remember someone casually using the phrase "goof" around him. He went pale and freaked out. Later he explained that in jail they refered to child sex offenders as "goofs" and just using the term could get you badly beaten.
I confirmed what he said with the prison-family friend and he acknowledged it to be true. Apparently someone in his family was beaten to death in prison for calling someone a "goof".
I'm not sure whether he was pulling my leg about the second part, but out of curiousity, I found this list of urban vocab online. Sure enough, it's on there.
Long story (as mine alway are) short, even in prison child sex crimes are considered especially vulgar.
Liam O'Brien mentioned the raising of the age of consent from the current 14 to 16.
I have just put up a post on that very topic on The Canadian Sentinel. My view on the issue can be seen there:
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2005/09/do-leftists-want-adults-to-have-sex.html
I'm glad to see you're back, Canadianna. Your blog is excellent, the posts focussed and very worthy of intense discussion within the comments area. Keep it up.
And, Dawg, I'm pleased to see you're thinking for yourself rather than letting the left tell you what's what. You're all right.
Ewww... Blogger 1272 must be a lefty.
Time to turn on word verification, Canadianna, to prevent automated comment spam.
Thanks Canadian Sentinel, I've deleted the comment.
My pleasure to help, Canadianna. See, I "stood on guard for thee"... just as promised on my site.
Speaking of which, this morning there was a very-little-reported-by-the-MSM "terrorist act" at Georgia Tech University and I've done a post on it:
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2005/10/terrorist-act-at-georgia-tech-bombs.html
Lately it's been almost exclusively reported by non-MSM media, namely the blognet. That includes The Canadian Sentinel.
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"You would like to keep people in custody until they are no longer a threat -- where is the certainty? How much treatment does it take? Can some people fake cures? There is no certainty."
Exactly. Life is full of uncertainties. Especially when you have kids.
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I am just in the process of reading all I can about this "family"..his son is still waiting sentencing and it is one year since his arrest. Our fmaily has been directly touched by this and it sickens me to think that he will be out of jail before my son is out of high school. Is there a blog anywhere about his son, Jeremy? The old saying, like father like son surely rings true here.
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